Using Shock Collars for Dog Training – Is It Ok?

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There is a trainer I know who posts a lot of short videos of her own dogs and dogs owned by clients of her board-and-train business. The dogs always look very well behaved and lots of people leave complimentary comments on these posts.

I’ve never seen a comment mentioning the shock collars that every one of the dogs wears. (Or the shock collar combined with a choke chain or pinch collar. Always the shock collar, and often the second pain-inducing collar, too.)

Again, judging by the comments, no one seems to be bothered by the subtle signs of stress and anxiety the dogs in training display. If the dog is “behaving,” the trainer never raises her voice, and the dog’s tail wags at some point, it all looks good to most people (apparently).

Now, it could be that some people DO comment or ask questions about the collars and the trainer deletes them. I would put money on a different possibility, though; I’m pretty sure that this trainer so thoroughly believes in and relies upon the collars that if someone DID comment, she would strongly defend their use.

Quick-fix methods can be seductive, but…

In general, I try to keep WDJ as free as possible from negative appraisals of training techniques and gear that we don’t support. I’d rather that we talk about the many reasons we advocate for the techniques and gear that we love. But I worry sometimes that many people can’t tell the difference between what we would call dog-friendly training and training that’s focused on quick, telegenic results.

I know that quick-fix methods are seductive: “I sent her an unmanageable dog who barked at the door, jumped on everyone, and couldn’t be walked on leash, and two weeks later, now look at him! He’s calm and I can walk him without being dragged down the street!”

But my question is, at what cost? What was that dog’s total experience? A dramatic transformation does not happen that quickly without a certain amount of pain and discomfort and lack of initial comprehension.

Note that I’m not talking about the use of a shock collar to deal with a specific behavior that the owner or training has been unable to stop in any other way, something that may well shorten the life of the dog if the behavior is unchecked, such as taking off after animals (not responding to a recall cue off-leash) or failing to respond to a “leave it” cue in rattlesnake country. That’s a separate debate we could have. But what I’m talking about here is the use of a shock collar to teach dogs to perform every sort of sit, down, stay, come, go to your bed, every-day type of behaviors – the same behaviors we can teach 8-week-old puppies to do on cue with a handful of cookies.

Now, I have to add that this trainer is skilled and experienced. I don’t see the kind of obvious fear that an unskilled force-based trainer induces in his clients’ dogs – the videos posted on social media don’t show dogs who are overtly cringing or flinching. They do show dogs who display more subtle signs of stress: licking their lips, ears back, tucked tails, yawning. In a few videos, it takes a sharp eye, but you can see the reaction a few dogs make when they have hesitated to perform the requested behavior and are being shocked:  a long blink or a momentary grimace before they perform the behavior they have been asked for. You can see it, but only if you know what to look for.

I bet her clients are genuinely happy with the results – pleased to discover that their dogs are capable of being calm and compliant and have learned a few behaviors on cue.

Dangers of using shock collars

There is no denying that in the hands of an experienced trainer – an even-tempered person with superior skills at observing body language and good timing – collars that shock or apply painful pressure to the dog’s neck can teach a dog to perform certain behaviors (in order not to suffer a painful consequence) in fairly short order, and without the appearance of violence. But this sort of training is anathema to me, and to most “positive only” trainers, for many reasons. Here are just a few:

  • Training methods that use pain can emotionally scar some dogs. Dogs may learn to perform certain behaviors in order to avoid pain, but many lose trust and interest in having a loving relationship with humans.
  • There are certain dogs who respond to pain with aggression. You can’t always predict which dogs this will be, but the odds are higher with dogs who are fearful and those who possess more than the average amount of self-preservation instincts. I would argue that from their point of view this constitutes simple self-defense. But the pain-based trainer will respond to the dog’s aggression with greater and greater pain, because if the dog’s aggression successfully (from the dog’s view) ends the training session, the trainer will fail, so the trainer will feel compelled to increase the pain until the dog “submits.” Unfortunately, if the dog’s aggression escalates enough, at some point the trainer is likely to inform the owner that the dog is dangerous and defective and the dog usually ends up dead – euthanized for behavior that was introduced in response to the training method.
  • While the trainer might have good timing, observation skills, and judgment, few owners do. When the dog is sent home with his new shock collar and the remote control is now in the hands of his much-less experienced owner, it’s inevitable that the collar will be activated at inappropriate times: when the dog tried to do the wanted behavior but the owner didn’t recognize it as such, after the dog had stopped doing the unwanted behavior but the owner’s timing was delayed, when the owner is angry at the dog for perceived misbehavior, and so on. As the “corrections” make less and less sense to the dog, and he fails to clearly see what behaviors work to stop the pain and which don’t, his “training” will deteriorate – and so will the relationship between the dog and his owner.

In my view, the introduction of a button that is pressed to cause discomfort that will increase compliance from another living being – just this, alone – would indicate to me that the button-presser should spend his or her time with a stuffed or electronic toy dog rather than a thinking, feeling being of another species.

Again, I don’t like to discuss training methods that we would never promote, but I’m not sure that novice dog people are ever told about the potential for harm that quick-fix tools like shock collars can cause. And when a dog owner with an unruly dog sees the “before and after” videos, many happily sign on, without being informed about the potential for fallout. They probably haven’t been told up front that the dog’s seeming calmness and compliance comes with a remote control – one that they will have to learn to utilize in order to maintain those behaviors. Were they asked if they are willing to continue to hurt their dogs into the indefinite future? Or have their dogs learn to associate them with the pain?

The goal of the kind of dog training we describe in WDJ – dog-friendly training, positive-reinforcement-based training, fear-free training, call it whatever you want – is to cultivate communication with and cooperation from our dogs, not just assert control through superior strength or power. Communication and cooperation with other beings is most soundly built on a foundation of mutual comprehension – and this takes a little bit of time! But if the process of learning about each other is rewarding and enjoyable for both parties (canine and human), the bond between them will be strong, even if communication breaks down at times.

Let’s talk about it

*Please note that this place on the WDJ website – the blog spot – is where my personal thoughts are posted. The word “blog” is short for “web log”; it came into being to describe the sort of sites that were devoted to journaling and other personal posts. This isn’t an “article” about the evils of shock collars; it’s where I am trying to work out my personal discomfort with both the use of the tools and the general public’s seeming inability to detect or understand the potential for quite serious fallout from their use and misuse.

Trainers: Do you have personal experience with using shock collars for training garden-variety behaviors? (Let’s confine the discussion to this.) Do you have experience working with dogs who were shocked by different trainers or owners before you were consulted? If so, what can you tell us about these experiences?

Owners: Have you paid someone to train your dog with one of these devices? Were you told up-front that a shock collar would be used on your dog? What has your experience been? Has your dog seemed different in any way?

175 COMMENTS

  1. I used one. my dog was not food driven for training at all, not even in class. no treats, no franks, no chicken, no burger, no cheese, nor clicker driven. nor toy driven. Nothing would make him stop trying to run into the street when on walks, under cars, etc, when leashed, which is much more hazardous. I used the tool at the absolute lowest level, much lower than the TENS machine I’ve used on myself for years. Just as if i was tapping the back of his neck. He never feared it, actually couldn’t care less about wearing it. I would never have used it at a higher level and I would always verbally call him to stop before using the tool. It took about a week of using voice commands and the collar, to only respond to voice. He was a stray who had been running the streets when I adopted him.

  2. People love a quick-fix, even though in the long term it makes things worse. Maybe, just maybe, if I lived in a country where prong and ecollars were legal, I’d be more accepting if they were genuinely used as a training tool. ie used to teach and proof a behaviour then ditched but they aren’t, the poor dogs have them used for life in the majority of cases. As for the “I tried it and it didn’t hurt” argument you knew what it was and when it was coming, dogs don’t. Say I wired up your bed and zapped you randomly, how long do you think it would take before you had a problem sleeping? What is the betting you had nightmares because of high levels of cortisol?

    In countries where such aversives are banned people train service dogs, compete in IGP and bite work, work gun dogs etc. And countries with high animal welfare laws also have fewer dogs homeless and in shelters without huge numbers being euthanised.

  3. When will people stop attempting to be an authority on subjects that they demonstrate no in depth knowledge of? ‘Shock collar’ was never the formal term for electronic collars & is used to illicit emotion.
    Ecollars are much much more than punishment.
    There is a body of literature showing efficacy without fallout (that is completely omitted from position statements).
    And trainers experienced in these tools are producing confident dogs with thrilled owners.
    This article is discussing misuse & compulsive use.
    Not understanding how a tool is used correctly is not an argument against it.

  4. I am a professional positive trainer. I have had many dogs come to me to be fixed, due to what the “prior professional trainer” did with a shock collar, prong collar of just hanging the dog by the leash. It really bothers me to see so much abuse. A lot of it is done to dogs under 6 months old! It is harder to fix the broken behavior that pain has caused, than to train it right. Yes, it takes time and patience to be a good positive trainer. We do have some quick methods and most are using high value rewards, body language understanding and good signals from the trainer. Most importantly is training the owner of the dog.

  5. I have had two experiences: I tried an electronic fence. 2 of my dogs, no problem. The third dog after the training never went more than 2-3 feet off the back patio because he was afraid. Even when he stopped wearing the collar and the fence was turned off. BTW, he was only shocked once during training and never after. It made me so sad. Luckily, I moved about a year later and he happily bounded around the new yard.

    My second experience was with a trainer. 20 years after the first experience and now with different dogs. When I got to the first appt and saw the demo with his dog and saw the dog was wearing a shock collar, I thanked him for his time and said it wasn’t for me or my dogs. He was very polite and said he respected that I knew upfront what I wanted and we parted ways. I hired a positive reinforcement trainer who was able to help me train the dogs on the basics and I’m glad I did.

  6. I unfortunately lost out on a hefty “consultation” fee for someone touting to be a “trainer” and suggesting I start my 5 month old puppy out on an e-collar. My puppy knows his basics already but I was having trouble with resource guarding over high value chew toys. A reputable dog trainer and behavior specialist would NEVER recommend a negative reinforcement technique to handle aggression or body handling issues ESPECIALLY in a young puppy. RUN FROM THOSE SO CALLED TRAINERS.

  7. Life is full of compromise. I doubt many enjoy applying the stim to their dog, but there are cases where it is the far lesser of two evils.

    Take a case where a dog pulls on the leash so hard he can only be walked by one member of the family and even that person is stressed and unhappy doing it. E collar training, provided under expert guidance fixes the problem ina single session. A follow up session enhances recall significantly, and shortly after every member of the family can walk him and want to. 10 years later, that dog is walked multiple times daily rarely on a leash.

    Was that dogs life worse for the collar? That family?

    What about the reactive dog that attacks a small child? Would it have been bad for an e collar to be used to curb that dogs behaviour before it escalated and harmed them? That dog would likely be destroyed and the child’s life affected forever. Still certain e collars are evil? Maybe they have been used in evil ways, but maybe, just maybe, there are also specific use cases where they can be good.

    As Emily commented above, there is so much misinformarion and judgement out there, it’s more likely to get bad advice than ever before.

  8. This isn’t a shock collar. This is an e-collar. It doesn’t provide direct voltage like previous collars a decade ago. Secondly, e-collars are great to use as a tool for training and cover all four quadrants of learning. Thirdly, e-collars need to be weened just like any training tool. Lastly, if you’re not a balance trainer, you’re not doing it right.